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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Gallente Citizen2515145
If you look at prices of various ships....like the arazu I was looking at is priced at 130mil. Are we freaking out of our minds? 130 mil for a damned recon, and then the insurance payout that is incredibly too low.
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How about we address these issues first and foremost to fix our economy instead of focusing on the macro miners who actually help keep these prices lower because they help meet the demand for minerals in our market?
Be careful, these two things can be contradictory. The reason an Arazu is so high priced is that its worth is based more on moon minerals/reactions than actual base mineral costs. Furthermore, even if the Arazu itself isnt in high demand, the base cost of production sets the value. Insurance prices for T2 were set based on CCPs lubby-dubby ideals for the economic values of minerals. Instead, the true value is set by player demand/costs. Its incredibly difficult to fuel POSes so on so forth that it drives prices up.
And about those macro-miners... I dont think they are keeping prices low, they are just emptying belts before legit players can get to them. The mineral supply is semi-finite supply due to respawn rates etc. If macro miners were removed, prices would go up, players would mine more, prices would fall again. The big issue for rising prices currently (on trit) has to do with the supply, and adding in more stuff could help.
Originally by: Gallente Citizen2515145
One additional point.....If higher quality ores were spawned in 0.0, and low sec, this would most likely cause more people to trickle out to these areas because for once there will be an actual reason to risk an exhumer for the potential reward that awaits.
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Anyways with more and more players having acess to better materials in 0.0 and low sec, that would be an edge over what the macro miners can do because they mostly stay in hi sec right? There you go, that is all I'm worried about, is for the average miner to have the oppurtunity to out earn any macro miner, because macro mining is stupid, and inefficient. ******s filling up their ship, warping back to station, dumping it, and then flying back out the belt. Do you realize how much time that wastes? 1 hulk mining arkonor, crokite, bistot in a few hours would by far out do anything a macro miner can do in one day. True story.
You'll never be able to out-mine a macro miner. Its impossible. Dont try. The most you can earn mining Crokite or Arknor is maaaaybe 15 - 20 mil an hour. Macrominers are multiple accounts mining large quantites throughout the entire day. They may only make 10mil an hour, but theres a lot of 'em and they have more time than you do.
As for better Ore, I say no way. More ore? Certainly, but not until the macro proglem is solved. A good example of why better ore is a horrible idea, look at the price of zydrine over the past year and a half. Not only was it hit due to imports from the drone region (tough call, composites are hard to haul) but that Gneiss can sometimes be found in Gravimetric signatures. Isogen-bearing ores like Omber and Kernite had the same problem and the price bottomed out there too. Introducing better access to better ore will only make the problem worse because the demand for those minerals is perportionally lower.
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